Welcome to the second week of "A Detailed Discussion"! My plan is to keep the current Discussion stickied as well as its previous, so there will always be two threads of this project at the top of the thread for people to have easy access. So, basically, we'll have this one and KidsFest stickied until next Monday when KidsFest will get demoted and next week's topic is posted/stickied.
INFO ON A DETAILED DISCUSSION THREADS
I thought I might try something new on here. Once a week, I'll post a new thread where we can have detailed discussion of a specific aspect of SDC where we can give compliments, air concerns, and do comparisons to SDC's sister park Dollywood. Once all the topics on my list have been exhausted, I will be going through all the threads and putting together a "Fandom Entreaty" including direct quotes and the like (as long as you give permission). Once put together, I'll post the Entreaty to the forum for everyone to read and give ideas for changes, omissions, additions, etc. Once we have a final draft, I will be sending it to SDC.
TOPIC 2: MOONLIGHT MADNESS
So, for the second "A Detailed Discussion," I'd like to discuss Moonlight Madness. Now that it is over for the year, I thought we could talk in-depth about all aspects of Moonlight Madness: music, theming, shops/merchandise, etc.
I know we already have other threads concerning MM, but as part of this project, I think it'd be nice to have a single thread where everything can be brought together into one discussion.
To give a bit of a format to these Detailed Discussion threads, here's a list of questions to get things started:
What is your favorite fest-related show during Moonlight Madness? Least favorite?
What is your favorite fest-related activity during Moonlight Madness? Least favorite?
What is your favorite fest-related shop during Moonlight Madness? Least favorite?
What would you omit if you were in charge of Moonlight Madness?
What would you add if you were in charge of Moonlight Madness?
Would you be interested in being quoted in a "Fandom Entreaty" to be compiled and sent to SDC (this "Fandom Entreaty," when finished, would first be posted in full to SDCFans)?
So.... let the Detailed Discussion begin!
Joy
ya know i don't really like alot of this music todays kids are listening to either but we keep forgetting that the moonlight madness is FOR THE YOUNGER GENERATION of SDC fans the park cant cater to one demographic so from time to time we are subject to music or festivals we may or may not like so to Tina's posts get over your self and live and let live !! just a thought
At 25, I just so happen to be a part of that "younger generation," and I am actually a huge fan of people like Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, etc. But that music does NOT belong in a park themed to the 1880s.
I am also a moderator on this forum, so I recommend you find a nicer way to express your opinions. Being defensive and rude for your first post does not engender a good first impression. One of the most important aspects that we uphold in this forum is a lack of rudeness.
I am also 25, and I consider myself still in the "younger generation" demographic as you call it. I love modern music! I love driving down the road, and cranking up the tunes. However, at Silver Dollar City I want to listen to bluegrass, and folk music. So your points 'edpnpaige' are a bit a shaky.
Let's keep Silver Dollar City as Silver Dollar City. Sorry to disappoint, but I will not sit idly by, and watch Silver Dollar City transform into Six Flags Branson. :)
Being 29, and a high school/ middle school teacher/coach, I am inundated with every new "pop" song every week on our bus rides. Some of them are catchy, but my musical interests were formed before the mainstream suburban sprawl of rap/ hip-hop music came to my area. I could never get into it, I tried, but I failed. I am a HUGE bluegrass fan, somewhat of a country fan, a dawn rock and roll fan, as well as an 80s/90s rock fan. Van Halen is an all time favorite of mine, and you would think that upon hearing "Eruption" while in the park it would be like combining 2 of my favorite things..like Bert and Ernie, like peanut butter and jelly, Like Captain and Tennille...nope it didn't work. It was a total anachronism for the park. Thankfully it is not all summer, and all day, and to be honest I more than likely wouldn't have gone to the park for the sole reason of attending for the MM. I was bothered a bit, but I was prepared with the "dance party" to hear disco, and pop. I have let this one go , and don't plan on revisiting this time of the day again, not out of spite, or anger, but just because it wasn't my thing. No biggie here. If it spreads to other times...we have problems, but a confined, limited time, is alright with me.
MM is not just about the younger generation having a good time. That's like saying that SDC being open during the day is only for grown-ups.
People today want their stuff easy, quick and cheap. MM is a celebration of that if you don't impart a little theme into it.
I loved MM as a way to see the City as it was in the past...but in the dark.
The only reason I went to MM twice this year is because I want to ride rides after dark. Not that it works all that well since they still close at only 10pm but it doesn't get truly dark 'til 9pm-ish. I didn't come for the music; I came for the rides. If the "younger generation" comes to the park outside of MM and don't complain about the music that fits the theme of the park, why have different music during MM? It's supposed to be about the rides, not the music.
I don't believe Silver Dollar City should bend over backwards to cater to either the older, or younger generations. Silver Dollar City has been very successful with both the young, and old alike since the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, 1990's, and 2000's.
The irony is, Silver Dollar City has been successful for five decades without using any "modern" music until now. Perhaps Silver Dollar City is afraid that the 1880's theme isn't "cool," or "hip" with the latest digital generation.
As a child I absolutely loved the "old cowboy" theme of Silver Dollar City, and I still do today as an adult. Perhaps Silver Dollar City is just scared that the younger crowd might actually enjoy the 1880's theme if they were given the chance. It sounds counterintuitive I know. Maybe I am looking deeper into the matter than what it really is? :P
Like others have expressed around here, I can tolerate the inappropriate music as long as it is limited strictly to Moonlight Madness, and nothing more. I just don't want the breaking of the music theme to be used as leverage to do more out-of-theme shenanigans. ;)
Regarding shows during MM, I would like to see them develop some just for the festival. I'm not sure what they would be but I am sure there are some great possibilities out there. Are there any shows now during MM, other than the regular Echo Hollow one? Maybe they could have some late night concerts in the hollow that stay true to theme while appealing to those most likely to attend MM. I realize it is a rides event but a few shows here and there would help with capacity issues. Another big thing I would like to see is the park staying open later during MM. One hour to ride in the dark is not enough...I think to some extent that's what hampered Celebration City. Finally, if they are going to do MM, then do it up right. Cut Kidsfest down (which they are doing somewhat next summer) and make MM a real festival and put real effort into it. Staff it properly, have things open and stay true to yourself. If you do it right, people will come. I still don't understand why SDC isn't open later during the entire summer anyway.
I know my opinion is unpopular, but I like MM. If I'm going to the park during the summer, I like going in the evening. I do wish the park would stay open later. I am a night person anyway. I know lines can be long at times, but they weren't always. If a line was too long, we had the luxury of skipping it since we are able to visit regularly and know we can catch it another time, perhaps at Christmas time if the temperature holds. I really liked strolling around the park as the park became darker. During my 2nd trip to MM this year, we were in GE as closing time approached. There were few people there at this time of night. It was a great experience watching the kids ride the elephants and the teacups at night.
I also liked the dance party. Most of the songs they play for the dance party have specific dances to them--YMCA, Chicken Dance, etc. These are dances almost anyone can do, and I think they would difficult to do to modern country music. The music really doesn't bother me for MM. In fact, unless I make an effort to listen for it, I guess I tune it out. I'm in my own world. I do appreciate appropriate music during regular hours--bluegrass, etc.
My only real complaint was difficulty in exiting the park on two occasions. Apparently, this wasn't always an issue during MM.
You know, SDC has always been a part of my life. I love SDC, and I've had all kinds of experiences there, including my wedding in the Wilderness Church. While I don't want the park to stray too far from the theme, I don't mind the variances the park experiences from time to time. There are some events in the park that I couldn't care less about, like Bluegrass and BBQ or Southern Gospel Picnic. Perhaps they fit the theme better, but I have no interest in them.
I know I'm rambling on; my brain is tired, so I'll stop. :)
Rambling is good for your health. ;)
I am absolutely supportive of the concept of Moonlight Madness. I hope my strong viewpoints here do not delude that overall sentiment. I think experiencing Silver Dollar City after dark is fun, and exciting. My only concern is the music. If they kept the atmosphere music to bluegrass, and changed only the ride stations to "party," or "dance" music, and only during Moonlight Madness, I think I can swallow that horse pill much easier. :)
The idea of Moonlight Madness is great! I just hope Silver Dollar City doesn't forget where it came from in the process. Moonlight Madness opens the door for Silver Dollar City to come up with all sorts creative attractions, and ideas, and yet still remain within the theme.
I think Silver Dollar City has kind of taken the cheesy approach by basically pumping the soundtrack from Celebration City into the speakers. I think Silver Dollar City should use this opportunity to work smart, and play hard. Silver Dollar City should come up with something that blends the theme, and the Ozark nightlife together, and create a real Moonlight Madness. :D
I agree with everything StaceySue said. I enjoy seeing the park strive to pursue a completely immersive atmosphere when they do, but you have to cut them some slack sometimes. It's 2010 and they're doing what they need to do to stay in business. There are still plenty of opportunities to see the park at it's best in the Spring, Fall and especially at Christmas time.
I feel like sometime we get ahead of ourselves with our expectations of the place. It's not an expanded living history museum experience anymore.
Like I said in another thread, I don't think most mind if they hadn't noticed a slip in the overall theme as of late. I also don't think they are hurting economically either.
Thinking outside of the box is great from time to time, as long as your boxless thinking isn't really just someone else's box.
Can I just say that I looove these threads?! Great idea!
I also just wanted to make a color commentary on the emphasis of all that has been said so far. I have two nieces (both of which just visited the City with me) and both of which love SDC. They also buy every gimmicky thing they see inside JJ Fiddlesticks they see, but only because it's there...and fluorescent.
That being said, they are both gearing up to visit this one room schoolhouse in a week that prides itself on being VERY 1880's. I think they are more excited about this than they are about their next SDC visit. I'm just saying that both climates have their place, but I'm skeptical about decisions made based on trade magazines or erroneous feedback that I'm not 100% sure represents the current popular opinion.
Yeah, I'm kinda confused as to why I'm on the e-mail list and signed up to receive surveys, and yet I've not been sent a survey link for several surveys now... So I don't think they're getting as much feedback as they could be.
QuoteYeah, I'm kinda confused as to why I'm on the email list and signed up to receive surveys, and yet I've not been sent a survey link for several surveys now
I think they send the surveys out to a demographic, I used to get them as well but haven't in a while. I have have had a seasons pass for 20 years straight.
You would think I would receive them but.............
Perhaps they only send out surveys to the specific group of people that they want to draw to their park rather than just return visitors? That way they can almost "force" the surveys to lean towards the park's agenda.
I am just teasing. I really don’t know. :P
I have been getting them lately but did not used to. I am a single parent with 2 small children. I guess right now they want to know what I want. lol
Went today 8/22/10 and Powder Keg was playing bluegrass the first 10 min in line then the final 30 min there was no music.
I thought the bluegrass was a nice return but letting it fall silent when there is a 40 min wait and its hot is a little lax. I wonder if those Powder Keg employees are the ride ops that have been there a while. Whatever the deal is they are pleasant but they either play the wrong music or they play nothing...
I don't understand.
It was a great day at SDC
I think they get annoyed by hearing the PK theme over and over. And having waited in a long line for PK before and heard the theme several times over, I can't exactly blame them.
I like how at River Blast, they play the theme song then play some bluegrass then play the song again.
I personally think that the Powder Keg song s#cks.
Its not a FITH or FM theme song that's for sure.
I just wish they would play something besides currant music ( and if they skip that theme song I will never say a word)
But they should play music, the guests are more important that their personal tastes and wishes.
I'm more and more convinced that they should license the Pickin' On series to play in the park. It'd be bluegrass, but people could also go, "Hey, I know that song!" and sing along to the music if they so choose.
It's funny you should mention that. I love the Pickin' On series! Now THAT would be the perfect music for Moonlight Madness. ;D
I learned about Pickin' On from mentions on this forum! :) When I went looking for samples on Amazon to listen to, I was just... floored. It's SO amazing!
Hm, well I know what I am putting in the Silver Dollar City suggestion box! ;)
I think it would be hilarious! And people always get a kick out of the Sons of the Silver Dollar when they do Beatlegrass.
Sweet I am glad that I helped everybody find what we see as a solution to this...the best of both worlds (and no that is not a Hannah Montana reference)
Please No Hanna Montana Please !!!!
just say no! (hannah)..lol
I have not been to moonlight madness, but it just does not sound like madness to me. Wheee I am riding a roller coaster at dusk. Whoop-ee. I like the admission price. I thought that was fair but from what I read on here it just does not seem all that splendid. What can you really do at "night" that you cant do during the day? What is so spectacular that wouldd grant me to stay and spend more money? Theres a swimmin pool at my motel.....my kid likes to swim....He cant ride PK or WF. SO I guess it boils down to being a party pooper (again) If they did somethin so mind blowing AMAZING, so STUPENDOUS and they did it only at that time, I would go. Otherwise count me as a day citizen (which I have now reached that amazing status snaps to me!!) and I will chill in the motel room with free internet and cable at night. Oh and the coveted swimming pool!!!
oh and I also looked into the pickin on series and HOLY CANNOLI BATMAN!!! I saw they had the doors light my fire and about wet myself! I heart the Doors and I heart bluegrass. put those together and what do ya got? My new fave song....
Well, the novelty IS riding at night. That's the point. Many rides just feel different at night. Now, I don't have to risk temps falling to low for night rides at Christmastime. :)
I told SDC in the survey they sent me (for having used my pass during Harvest Fest) that we asked for longer hours, NOT modern music.
My dad agrees with me that the ideal would be to have extended hours for the entire summer; keep the park open 'til 10pm on weeknights and then 11pm or 12am Friday and Saturday nights.
Forget the modern music. All we want is time to ride in the dark.
I think if they extended hours to midnight, I would have to retire early and about 99% of the work force would too. I wouldn't mind if they extended hours to 10pm each Friday and Saturday of June, July and August though. I think that would be a great compromise and yes, get rid of the modern music.
When they do stay open late, the cave at night is really cool... bats come out more on the very last tour when the hours of operation are later. It's quite a sight to see... especially if there are lots of people on the tour that are afraid of the dark. :D
I think if they're going to charge nearly $60 a ticket, they SHOULD have longer hours. Period. There's no excuse not to.
During the Spring months, and the Fall months, I think the standard eight hours a day (give, or take) is sufficient. During the Moonlight Madness, and during the Christmas light show, staying open late works better for those times. However, I think it would be a bad idea to have the park stay open late every single night all year long. There are just too many other great evening activities to see, and do in the Branson area. :)
Part of the problem with when they do Moonlight Madness is that by the time it actually gets dark, there's really only an hour or so for riding rides in the dark, so there's no way you're gonna get to all the rides in that amount of time. Just Powderkeg alone can take forever to get on during MM.
ozark i think your right about not every nite.. I also agree about the MM late nite rides and the music is just a lot to do"after" dark. maybe they could do the MM for 2 weeks and on those 2 weeks stay open till midnite on fri and sat? LOts of late nite dark riding then.. Dont know? that would be a lot of hours?? Just something for them to think about..
I wish there was more to do during Moonlight Madness than just rides and that one show. All of the shops close down, and most of the food places too. If you don't ride the rides, there's really nothing else to do during that time.
I also wish they stayed open late during October. I know that being a Christian organization and all, they wouldn't want to do anything that might possibly be interpreted as "Halloween" related (even though they have Santa Clause?! ???), but even if they didn't do like a "Haunted SDC" I still would like to see them open later during that time. But if they would consider a "Haunted SDC" wouldn't that be amazing?!?! :D
With all due respect to Tinaalsgirl, it is difficult to answer the questions surrounding festivals/shops at Moonlight Madness. Most shows/shops are closed, and I really think it is just about the rides for most people. That said, it was a great idea to bring MM up as a discussion topic.
I really like the idea of MM. It certainly fills the void left behind by the closure of Celebration City, and enables people who work 9-5 another chance to visit the park. I would like to see an extra week or two of MM. A great time would be the week after Memorial Day and/or Labor Day.
My thought process behind this is drawing more people to SDC and Branson in general. Many people are dead-set on coming down for holiday weekends and tourism is down on the preceding/following weekends because some people won't come two weekends in a row. This might change that, to a certain extent, or maybe some people would stay an extra weekend and get a Season Pass, which really is the best bet. However, having MM on too many days would hurt the symbiotic relationship between SDC and the rest of Branson, which thrives on people attending restaurants and shows at night.
In regards to what music is appropriate for MM. I think it is good to play a more modern selection of music, as long as it somewhat relates to the theme of the park. Therefore, some modern country music would seem appropriate. However, I wouldn't stray too far from the established theme. I definitely agree with the "No Hannah" folks. Keep her music at Disney World, please. "The Climb" would be about the only song of hers that I could fathom wanting to hear at SDC.
I like MissinTheGreenTrams screen name, and their point about the admission price being a nice perk.
Makayna has a good point about the "Haunted SDC." While SDC certainly is a Christian park, it doesn't hurt to embrace the theme of a holiday that has been moreso influenced by Hollywood, than the non-secular influences of All Saints Day or Samhain. Many people don't know or care about the non-secular origins. To most people, Halloween is a day to dress up as something, get candy, visit haunted houses, and watch scary movies.
SDC would do well to maintain their family values and focus on "Casper-style" ghosts, creepy creatures, Baldknobbers, and other similar folklore to draw attention away from the stuff they object to. Many Christian groups have "alternative" celebrations around Halloween to give people more choices on what to do that time of year. The shops could hand out saltwater taffy and other specialty candy items to people who are in costume, thus encouraging future sale of these items. In this regard, Silver Dollar City would be encouraging its values by drawing people away from the things that they are opposed to.
I think it would be best to observe "Haunted House day" on a Saturday, regardless of what day Oct 31 falls on, to make it financially worthwhile for the extended hours and extra employees working the haunted houses.