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[palallin]

But here in the US... well, firstly, we have a terrible healthcare system.

You have got to be kidding . . . .

[Swoosh]

But here in the US... well, firstly, we have a terrible healthcare system.

You have got to be kidding . . . .

Oh joy (pun intended) I was wondering when politics would be brought into this discussion.   
We could have the best healthcare system in the world (which we do) and there'd still be no cure for TDS. 

Back to real discussion on the topic, more states (not named Missouri) are cancelling school for the remainder of the school year.  Even Canada has done so

[Joy]

Someone linked unironically to a right-wing news site. I wasn't the one who brought "politics" into the mix. Also, how is discussing the state of our healthcare political? It's simply fact.

I have a feeling the people who think we have a great healthcare system are not poor and disabled like people like me.

Also, tell me how a healthcare system can be great when a single hospital-grade ventilator costs between $25,000 and $50,000. (https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/what-is-a-ventilator-how-much-does-one-cost.html)

How can a healthcare system be great when so many people are uninsured? When so many people call Uber or Lyft to take them to the hospital because it's cheaper than an ambulance?

I'm thisclose to straight-up leaving this forum. I have seen too many back-handed right-wing, racist comments over the last few years, and I honestly feel unwelcome here.

God, I hate politics, and I hate President Anusmouth, and yeah, I've decided to go scorched earth here because I am so DONE with all of this.

#VoteBlueNoMatterWho!

[Swoosh]

Someone linked unironically to a right-wing news site. I wasn't the one who brought "politics" into the mix. Also, how is discussing the state of our healthcare political? It's simply fact.

I have a feeling the people who think we have a great healthcare system are not poor and disabled like people like me.

Also, tell me how a healthcare system can be great when a single hospital-grade ventilator costs between $25,000 and $50,000. (https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/what-is-a-ventilator-how-much-does-one-cost.html)

How can a healthcare system be great when so many people are uninsured? When so many people call Uber or Lyft to take them to the hospital because it's cheaper than an ambulance?

I'm thisclose to straight-up leaving this forum. I have seen too many back-handed right-wing, racist comments over the last few years, and I honestly feel unwelcome here.

God, I hate politics, and I hate President Anusmouth, and yeah, I've decided to go scorched earth here because I am so DONE with all of this.

#VoteBlueNoMatterWho!

1. Uninsured does not equal bad healthcare.  Those are not related in anyway. 
2. Bye

[Gilligan]

But here in the US... well, firstly, we have a terrible healthcare system.

You have got to be kidding . . . .

Ck point!  I wouldn't want to get sick in ANY OTHER COUNTRY OTHER THAN THE USA. 

[Jemmicat]

I am getting ready to go into the NHS in the UK. And I am thrilled with that. Have any of you even been to another country (not counting a resort in Mexico)? Every system has it's flaws... But for example, if you are in the UK and get sick, it is FREEEEEEEE... no matter how much it cost. No matter the treatment. People are not put into bankruptcy because of the medical system. People aren't even paying for prescriptions! Yes, you can get supplemental coverage in the UK and most do as it is sometimes faster. But the treatment is free.

Think about how much for example insulin costs in the US? Think about how it is all shareholder and profit based. And tell me again this is the best country for treatment? Yes, doctors come here from all around the world... it is because they can make more money here. Not necessarily because they are best.

Like Joy, I am quite liberal in most things. And very much a lesbian. And very much an agnostic. And I don't fit in in the middle of the country and I know it. I am college educated and VERY good at what I do with several patents for things I have designed. I research EVERYTHING... And make decisions accordingly. I am thrilled to go to a more diverse country... Just not happening as fast as I had hoped.

But even in things like this thread... people spread false information. No one takes the time to REALLY research anything... whether it be political or health or sexuality/gender or race or whatever. Most tend to believe whatever is told. And that has become the downfall of the whole human race. Most can be easily manipulated... And anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves.

Think about how many people go out of the US for treatments? Equal care at considerably less cost for most things. The flaw is not the PEOPLE in the healthcare system. The flaw is in the system itself. It is about making money and always will be.

[Jemmicat]

AND BTW... I am currently on health department quarantine from my trip to the UK. I just started back to the US division of the UK company I am transferring to and I have no health insurance yet. I was out of work from the end of September until beginning of February waiting on the UK and Visa info. Missouri unemployment maxes out at $1280 a month... and I was making that in 4 days work! So if I get sick right now, I will be completely crippled by the medical debt. So far, no symptoms although I was all over the UK where cases were - even places I was working on this project.

So... after just having a real paycheck coming in again, I could be completely crippled by medical debt if I get sick. And all of the people who are sick are also racking up massive medical debt. We may have the "best medical in the world" but if no one can live because of crippling debt after the treatment, is it worth it? As opposed to people in Canada and the UK who have the treatment free

This coronavirus is stretching the health system here to its limits... but they will recover. It is the financial strain on all who get it that will be harder to overcome than the long term health effects. And here is something fundamentally wrong with that

[runner1960]

Joy, Jemmicat, Hang in there. I too am agnostic and Anti Trump. Seems like someone is always trying to slyly get their political views into this forum but I just disregard the ignorance. I wonder how many of them will accept the socialist government check they are about to get. 

I have found out you can enjoy SDC and Branson without worshiping the GGG. Just skip all the pandering patriotic , religious stuff and go your own way. Best of luck to you.

[Swoosh]

Joy, Jemmicat, Hang in there. I too am agnostic and Anti Trump. Seems like someone is always trying to slyly get their political views into this forum but I just disregard the ignorance. I wonder how many of them will accept the socialist government check they are about to get. 

I have found out you can enjoy SDC and Branson without worshiping the GGG. Just skip all the pandering patriotic , religious stuff and go your own way. Best of luck to you.

I mean you could go the other way with that and wonder how many of the Never-Trump people will accept the check that was made possible by the bill he signed into law.  See just as stupid to spin it that way. 

[Preachin_Bill]

Someone linked unironically to a right-wing news site. I wasn't the one who brought "politics" into the mix. Also, how is discussing the state of our healthcare political? It's simply fact.

I have a feeling the people who think we have a great healthcare system are not poor and disabled like people like me.

Also, tell me how a healthcare system can be great when a single hospital-grade ventilator costs between $25,000 and $50,000. (https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/what-is-a-ventilator-how-much-does-one-cost.html)

How can a healthcare system be great when so many people are uninsured? When so many people call Uber or Lyft to take them to the hospital because it's cheaper than an ambulance?

I'm thisclose to straight-up leaving this forum. I have seen too many back-handed right-wing, racist comments over the last few years, and I honestly feel unwelcome here.

God, I hate politics, and I hate President Anusmouth, and yeah, I've decided to go scorched earth here because I am so DONE with all of this.

#VoteBlueNoMatterWho!

See ya.

[Preachin_Bill]

Joy, Jemmicat, Hang in there. I too am agnostic and Anti Trump. Seems like someone is always trying to slyly get their political views into this forum but I just disregard the ignorance. I wonder how many of them will accept the socialist government check they are about to get. 

I have found out you can enjoy SDC and Branson without worshiping the GGG. Just skip all the pandering patriotic , religious stuff and go your own way. Best of luck to you.

It isnt "pandering" if you believe in it.

I certainly agree with and genuinely appreciate, however, your choice to simply skip it and go your own way if you don't like it, instead of complaining about it and trying to paint the park and those who do like it as horrible people and "change must happen now!" Etc etc in an attempt to change the park from what it is and always has been into another unchristian,unpatriotic, worldly place.

So thank you for your choice to simply "agree to disagree" and appreciate the aspects of the park you enjoy.

[Preachin_Bill]

AND BTW... I am currently on health department quarantine from my trip to the UK. I just started back to the US division of the UK company I am transferring to and I have no health insurance yet. I was out of work from the end of September until beginning of February waiting on the UK and Visa info. Missouri unemployment maxes out at $1280 a month... and I was making that in 4 days work! So if I get sick right now, I will be completely crippled by the medical debt. So far, no symptoms although I was all over the UK where cases were - even places I was working on this project.

So... after just having a real paycheck coming in again, I could be completely crippled by medical debt if I get sick. And all of the people who are sick are also racking up massive medical debt. We may have the "best medical in the world" but if no one can live because of crippling debt after the treatment, is it worth it? As opposed to people in Canada and the UK who have the treatment free

This coronavirus is stretching the health system here to its limits... but they will recover. It is the financial strain on all who get it that will be harder to overcome than the long term health effects. And here is something fundamentally wrong with that

-Do you also fall into the category as those you speak of who are uninformed, or are you "kidding yourself" into thinking you are not?
-There is no such thing as free. It does not exist.
-Is there any chance that govt intervention has increased health costs?
-Is there anyone who chooses to come to America for heath treatment?
-Do you really think other health care systems/economies are somehow NOT strained by the current virus situation?

Do you not have insurance?
I hope you are well and do not suffer medically, emotionally, or financially during this unprecedented and difficult time.
(although Im sure we all will to a small degree.)

[Wildfire]

Bye Joy!  Do you liberals really think your Dementia patient Biden would be better?  Lol!

[Okiebenz]

1. Healthcare is not FREE no matter what country you live in.  You may not pay for it at the time of treatment but I can bet you are paying substantially higher taxes.  The money has to come from somewhere.  The contractors who build hospitals are not working for free.  The drug companies are not giving away drugs.  The suppliers are not giving all their stuff away.  The doctors are not working for free and neither is the janitor. 

2. I am of the opinion the issue with the astronautical cost of healthcare in this country is due to the insurance companies.  It is like body work on a car, if the insurance is paying the cost goes way up.  If you are paying you can get things done much cheaper.  I have heard some doctors will even cut deals if it is a cash situation.

3. I really do not get all of the hate for Trump.  I have not heard any rational arguments when he gets called a racists, or whatever term gets thrown at him for the day.  It just seems no matter what he does, it is always the wrong answer to some people.  When he locked down travel to/from China he was called a racist.  Then he was blamed because he did not lock travel down soon enough.  So which is it? 

4. I assume all of the people who say Trump is not their president will not be accepting any checks when they arrive, they will return them to sender, correct?

5.  I find it very odd how this whole virus thing has been turned into a big media frenzy.  When Obama had his virus deal I do not recall hearing much about it at all and the numbers on it were much more deadly from what I recall.  It just seems something fishy is going on to me, but what do I know.

6.  This is a group for discussion SDC, I really do not see why politics even need to be brought into it.  However, when folks have a different point of view from myself, I do not get all bent out of shape and start name calling.  If I do not like what they have to say, I just scroll on.  If people want to leave because they think being a Republican is racist or thinking Trump is doing a great job, then that would be your loss.

[Jemmicat]

Again.. Do your research. I have extensively with this move. My taxes there are going to be about 10%-15% less than I pay here AND include health care so YES it is "free".

And honestly, I made too much to get a check from this stimulus in the 2018 tax year. So no, I won't be cashing it as I won't be getting it... That being said, my finances in 2019 ended up not being good with a company closing a division and then my being too overqualified for most of the positions in this area... so I was on unemployment for 4 months and blew through most of my savings just surviving.

And yes I will say I am uninformed on many things... There are things I don't care about that I don't bother researching. For example, I do not have cable and only watch streamed shows. I don't see commercials or anything like that. So people will ask me to a movie and I have never even heard of the movie or know what it is about. Sure, I could research that, but does't really matter to me. Things like some politics, well, I do my research

As far as Trump... All I can say is look and READ news from around the world. When I was in the UK I was asked by EVERYONE about him. The world does not have a good opinion. Personally, I have an issue when anyone tries to govern with religious laws as it is no different than muslim countries ruling by shariah law. And his rulings on the LGBT community have directly affected me and people I know. These are things he has done. So no, I am not a fan. Hate? No... wouldn't go that far... but I know that he has hurt my community.

Again, the media thing was big in THE WHOLE WORLD. This is a WORLD crisis. I can't tell you why it wasn't big during Obama... I had a lot going on then and don't remember much. But I have found with this UK thing that there is so much going on in the world that we in the US have no clue about. We think we are the center of the world and ignore the rest. It was just as big of a deal in the UK as it is here with the media. Good bad or ugly, they are trying to save lives. Perhaps they should have been more vigilant in the Obama era. I can't say.

As far as pandering... It pretty much is. I mean, when you are performing (and I am a lead guitar player in a band in Springfield for a little while longer), when you KNOW you are going to play a certain song or say a certain thing and the crowd is going to react, of course it is pandering. It is absolutely no different than the norm of an "encore" at any concert you go to these days. I would rather they just play the whole set rather than take a break then do their "encore". It is so staged now. Just as these shows stage the religious and patriotic stuff. It is not my thing and I avoid it. I will leave at that section or stay seated. I mean, I've not stood or done anything for the american flag/national anthem for over 20 years. I have my reasons. I don't make a big deal of it. I don't try and force my views on anyone... Which is totally different than most on both sides.

And NO currently I do not have health insurance. It is a 60 day wait after starting... I think it kicks in next week. So hopefully I do not get sick...

I think all economies are strained by this. I saw it firsthand in the UK and I see it here as well.

As far as people coming to america for treatment, absolutely some come here for treatment... But they are the rich people who can afford it all without insurance and where a treatment is not offered where they are. I mean, how many people are traveling out of the US for STEM cell treatment? Some countries have restrictions on procedures and if they can afford to pay for it, they go where they can have it done.

Maybe I am a bit jaded with my ideas of the NHS in the UK. Ask me again in 6 months... but I know no one there is going to go into debt for their medical treatments... I see posts all the time with people wanting money in their gofund me account just for treatments to keep them alive. Something is wrong there