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[jericho]

There are a lot of people in the area, and they have good access due to the turnpike, but I still say that without a major IP or something to draw people, it's just a random big theme park with a generic americana theme in the middle of nowhere.

Their main hope of creating a draw is simply building enough themselves to get big, but I still don't see where the $2 billion is going to come from...

Are we already forgetting how SDC came about and put Branson on the map??? Nobody would have started any show in Branson if SDC wasn't here because shows alone don't draw people in.

This park is just outside Vinita, 45 minutes from Tulsa, on Route 66, next to the I-44 Turnpike, and West of Grand Lake. That is NOT the "middle of nowhere"! Route 66 attracts thousands to millions of people every year from all around the globe and brings in more tourists than anything else in Oklahoma.

As they have said, the company already has the money.

Plus, like History Buff said, everyone is tired of Disney and their Woke ideology. We need more companies who are against the woke regime and the creators of this park have already said that they are extremely anti-woke.

There is absolutely no way this park won't thrive because of all these factors!

I'm seeing a lot of red flags with this project. 1st, how is the park fully funded? According to sources, Gene Bicknell's net worth is estimated to be around $240 million. The press releases say the park is all privately funded from one source, Gene. Where is 2 billion dollars coming from? Also, Gene is 91 years old. What happens if he dies before this is complete? Other little things really make me question this operation. Things like cheap signage for the RV park construction. A 2 billion dollar operation is using PVC pipe and zip ties for signage?

[KevinLong]

does anyone know any real current facts about this Park? its been pretty quiet out there lately


I found this comment from July of last year --

Dennis Speigel, a consultant and former president of the largest international amusement park trade group, said there just aren't enough people in northeast Oklahoma to justify this size of a project. He also said market saturation and too much competition will limit the American Heartland Theme Park's potential.

Speigel said the 4.9 million visitors per year that American Heartland is projecting is unrealistic. KOCO 5 checked on that.

The 4.9 million visitors would make American Heartland the 10th most popular park in the country – ahead of both SeaWorld parks and all of the Six Flags. Silver Dollar City, which is in Branson and about two hours away from where Oklahoma's new park is planned to be, does about 2.2 million visitors a year.

4.9 million visitors seems a stretch to me at least for the first few years...  but I could be wrong..

[sdcfan88]

I now see it going up about the same as that Dogpatch revival project a few years ago... and Bells returning...

[shavethewhales]

I've been watching from the FB groups in the area that are tracking the progress. Construction has stopped. They put out erosion control and the contractor staging area a few months ago, then the contractor pulled off. Original rumor was that the concrete batch plant would show up in March and then construction would get more underway - that hasn't happened. The latest news updates include a blurb saying that costs have increased and they are currently working with the state to get funding...

I know there's a lot of utility/civil engineering that has to take place off-site just to support the ability of the site itself to be developed, but that is why these projects often have a 5-10 year timeframe instead of 2-3. They have made it through a few hoops regarding zoning and some infrastructure approvals, but there's still at least a year's worth of effort before they get to where they can actually move much dirt. Theoretically they could build PART of the RV park, but it would be pretty underwhelming.

We'll see where they finally land, but I'm guessing they end up with a small RV park, a small lake resort, and MAYBE a small theme park.

[Okiebenz]

I have been hearing that a contractor as sued them for $5m for unpaid work.  That could be a reason why construction has stopped.  Seems to be turning out to be a shady deal perhaps?

[shavethewhales]

It was a design consultant, FORREC, who has famously designed a number of high profile attractions. https://nondoc.com/2024/05/09/company-claims-vinita-theme-park-developer-owes-5-5-million-for-unpaid-work/

For a design consultant to file this kind of action over this much unpaid work, there must have been some serious issues behind the scenes. I work as a civil consultant myself, so I know that amount represents a lot of people working for a long time. FORREC probably designed most of the park and came up with all the renderings we've seen so far. When Mansion comes out talking about not paying until they have "reviewed", that sounds like a huge ton of crap.

I think this is the official start of the wheels coming off. Of course, the whole shenanigans with them putting up orange fencing and then leaving the site for six months and counting was an obvious tell. Oh yeah, they need to redesign the RV park that they already posted videos of them starting work on. 

[KBCraig]

We learned early in life that "willing suspension of disbelief" was the key to reading fictional stories.

Today we see many examples of people who can't wait to throw their disbelief over a cliff any time something tickles their ears in a pleasing way.

[DianaGail]

They need to drop this and focus on their current assets. Renovate the Mansion and fix the leaks in the roof. Make it a premiere destination that hosts more than 75 year old artists and dance competitions. Then move on to the film studio they are supposed to be opening. They have tried to bite off more than they can chew and it shows. Bicknell must have money he needs to spend. .

[shavethewhales]

Interestingly, they posted an apology on their social media regarding the delays and missed payments to FORREC and Crossland. They say they are moving forward and will resolve the issues.

They worded it pretty weirdly though with a backhand comment against people who are doubting them, lol. Definitely don't have a PR firm working with them yet. Best way to squash doubt is to actually get things moving.

[shavethewhales]

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/business/2-5-billion-vinita-theme-park-to-be-delayed-years-but-developers-say-they-are/article_79447acc-8b47-11ef-899e-5bfe02a623f0.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR08SZc5vcchdefBVZ35JnaYXvKkWXqs7t4s6piynbSHe79PlXYTnD5p4Co_aem_xM4ODIjhO2GrN4MqyN55Tg

Just in case you guys didn't see: they have now formally stated that the park will indeed take a few years longer to bring to reality than originally stated. To the surprise of absolutely no one, lol.

Very little chance this project survives. They need the OK legislature to approve a stupidly specific bill that will help them pay for infrastructure and off-site utilities to support this development. That involves things like upsizing the Vinita sewage plant, upsizing their water distribution system, and presumably increasing HWY 60 to a 4-lane up to the park.

They apparently had no plan for any of this and assumed that as soon as they announced the project, the state would just do it all for them. Between that and apparently not understanding their own RV park plans before STARTING CONSTRUCTION, one has to assume that they are unqualified to get this done - to say the least.

The founder of Mansion is currently 92 years old and is still the driving force behind this apparently. I predict this project will die one of two ways: either the founder passes away first and the project team disbands due to the project being unsustainable without his money, or the OK legislature doesn't approve public funds for the infrastructure they need in Vinita.

[Okiebenz]

A guy I know who owns a car dealership in Vinita is somehow involved in all this I believe, not sure how.  But he insisted a year ago or so that it was going to happen.  Yea right.

[KBCraig]

A guy I know who owns a car dealership in Vinita is somehow involved in all this I believe, not sure how.  But he insisted a year ago or so that it was going to happen.  Yea right.

You can always trust a car dealer to tell you the honest truth, right?

[shavethewhales]

Supposedly the property has had foreclosure motions filed against it in court. The two companies that previously filed liens are now looking to force a sale to get payment. Mansion needs to figure this out yesterday. The lien apparently had a clause that charged interest DAILY.